Welcome back to Nevermind it's an interview. - ST THOMAS Inspirations comes in many forms, and for Nirvana, - ST THOMAS it came in the form of an obscure Scottish band called the Vaselines. - ST THOMAS Kurt and I were totally into the Vaselines, - KRIST I mean they were my favorite band, - KRIST they still are one of my favorite bands. - KRIST Definitely our number one favorite band. - KURT We finally got to play with them, they reformed to play with us, - KRIST when we played Edinburgh, Scotland, in ah, early winter of 1990. - KRIST So we met Eugene, and kinda kept a rap going with them- KRIST then we heard Captain America the band,- KRIST we heard the tape, we were totally blown away.- KRIST Yeah, that's his new band, Captain America, they're really good. - KURT Eugene's a great songwriter, so, yeah! - KRIST Captain America's gotta go on tour with us! - KRIST 《Molly's Lips》 Since our record has done so well, - KRIST we can open up doors for other bands, - KRIST from where we come from, - KRIST like Sonic Youth or Mudhoney, or the Melvins, - KRIST or L7, or Dinosaur Jr. I can just go on and on and on and on. - KRIST I guess the best part would be, - KURT being in the position to take other bands, - KURT whom you like a lot, on tour with you. - KURT It's definitely a nice thing to be able to do. - KURT We took Shonen Knife, a three piece all girl Japanese band - KURT on tour with us in England, - KURT and they've been a favorite of ours for years, - KURT and no one really knows who they are in England, or anywhere in Europe. - KURT And we've taken the Melvins on tour with us, - KURT and in the future, we hope to take Hole, and Jesus Lizard, - KURT and a bunch of other bands who we like. - KURT 《Stain》 But nothing really exciting happens on tour. - KURT People think that the 'rock star life' is so exciting and it's, - KURT y'know you play a show, - KURT you usually get into the town by the time it's dark, - KURT and you sound check, and you don't get to see the city, - KURT you play the show and then you leave the next morning. - KURT Y'know, you go to the hotel room, and you leave, - KURT and do the same thing over and over again. - KURT It's kinda boring in a way, I mean still I can't think of anything else I'd rather do, - KURT but it's not as exciting as everyone thinks. - KURT But it's getting harder for me to jump out of the audience now, - KURT because the crowds are bigger and some of the people don't realize that. - KURT I don't know what they realize actually, - KURT because they're putting their hands in my pockets and - KURT trying to steal my money and my wallet, - KURT and they're they're hitting me really hard and scratching me, so it's ... - KURT I dunno, after a while I'm probably not going to be able to do that anymore. - KURT And that's too bad, cause' it's a fun little bonding thing to do with the audience. - KURT 《School》, live version That's School from the album Bleach recorded live. - ST THOMAS Nirvana says their next album will be different, perhaps even more like Bleach.- ST THOMAS Well our next record's gonna be different, it's gonna be way different. - KRIST Well I wouldn't want to put out two of the same record - DAVE We'd like to record every song differently. - KURT These are just ideas that we have. - KRIST Y'know, I know, I know it's gonna be a, a record of extremities. - KRIST I think we had our shot at doing the ah, big studio, high-tech Hollywood thing, - DAVE whatever y'know I mean, that studio to us, was like, pretty like, techno. - DAVE I dunno, maybe we'll do the next record on 8-track. - DAVE That will be recorded on 8-track. - KURT You can get more low end frequencies out of an 8-track. - DAVE Go back to the Bleach sound. - KURT Back to that sorta, more along the lines of Bleach. - DAVE Cause' I really liked the production of Bleach, and I, - KURT I dunno, I felt kinda weird straying so far away from it ... - KURT We've got this far, with this record. - DAVE There's definitely going to be some more abrasive songs on our next record. - KURT Y'know, we're gonna do something, just totally test the limits. - DAVE Really raw and abrasive, to very uh, pretty and candyish. - KRIST All the radio listeners, or the MTV watchers, or whoever, just like, really test them, - DAVE and shove something totally aggro, in their face, and, - DAVE and see if they can handle that. - DAVE 《Big Cheese》 Almost anything that's musical, is pop music, as far as I'm concerned. - KURT As long as it's good, and it's catchy, it's pop. And y'know, a lot of punk rock is pop. - KURT I think the only time that punk rock strayed away from pop, - KURT was when hardcore came around, y'know, and there was a lot, - KURT y'know, real dirgy stuff also, - KURT like the crossover metal thing, and I really can't consider a lot of that music. - KURT Y'know, maybe one percent, of the people who are listening to Nevermind, - DAVE that ever bought Nevermind, maybe not one percent, - DAVE but I'm just saying that this, um, a small minority of people - DAVE who are listening to our record now, know about punk rock. - DAVE A lot of people don't know about punk rock. - DAVE They think about punk rock ... - DAVE and they think of like that Quincy episode where the guy threw the brick off the building. - DAVE I guess, I dunno, I just don't agree with old punk rock ethos, - KURT of like, you have to starve to be a real artist. It's ********. - KURT 《Been A Son》 We don't like to think of ourselves as a political band, - KURT because y'know, you tend to become too anal, and it becomes ridiculous, - KURT If you shove it down people's throats y'know, - KURT we just ask people to be aware a little bit, - KURT and I think the songs kinda reflect that. - KURT It's just another issue, another topic, like we could talk about racism, - KRIST we could talk about feminism, nationalism, I don't really subscribe to that way of thought, at all. - KRIST There's just so much corruption going on with the government, - KURT and the Reagan years have definitely set us back, - KURT to where the average teenager feels kinda lost, and there isn't much hope. - KURT They're still at least, aware of the mistakes that our parent's generation has made. - KURT And I just think that it'll take a little bit of time for kids to start doing the duties - KURT that they're supposed to do, which is challenge things, like corruption. - KURT "The way American's money is budgeted by our government, - DAVE it leaves nothing to the education system. - DAVE Teachers are dealing with the future, y'know, - DAVE teachers are dealing with kids growing up, who are gonna take care of me or you, someday. - DAVE Just the education system in general, in a lot of places, is really screwed. - DAVE Y'know, it's great to get information like that, so you can um, form your own ideas. - KRIST It'd be neat, if like y'know, the 60's had a like, Abby Hoffman, - KRIST or ah, John Sinclair y'know, Timothy Leary to an extent. - KRIST And they were spokes people, and they were shaking things up, - KRIST and nowadays, there's not really anybody. - KRIST 《Territorial Pissings》 Territorial Pissings from the multi platinum release Nevermind. - ST THOMAS Since it's release, the album has topped the billboard charts, - ST THOMAS and the first single Smells Like Teen Spirit has become a top-ten hit. - ST THOMAS The success of Nevermind has taken a lot of people by surprise including the band. - ST THOMAS I'll never get over the shock and that's kinda good. - KURT It was, um, sort of a really, whatever, organic thing, there wasn't any massive hype. - DAVE I mean there is definitely no big million dollar investment, in, - KURT in promotion behind this record at all, it's totally organic, and it just happened. - KURT Y'know, whatever's happened, is, was surely out of our control, - KRIST and I'm glad it's happened y'know it's nice to sell that many records, - KRIST it's nice to turn on people to something different. - KRIST People tellin' me "Oh yeah you guy's record", "I think you guys are gonna go platinum", - KRIST and we're like "Oh man, c'mon, y'know, if we get a gold record outta this, that'll be amazing". - KRIST It's not my fault. I never wanted the fame involved. - KURT That's, That's a totally different story. - KURT I think Paul Stanley once said something like, - KURT "Only thing that money gives you is relief of not having to worry about money." - KURT Only thing I'd really like to do with it, is to invest in some bands that I like, - KURT I, I don't wanna start my own record label cause God, - KURT I know I couldn't do that. - KURT But I'd like to give some money to some labels who're putting out great music, help in that way. - KURT And um, probably gonna buy a house. - KURT Hopefully we can have a recording studio too a little 8-track recording studio, - KURT so we can make good demos. - KURT And those are pretty much the plans and just get some new shoes. - KURT 《Smell like teen spirit》
[00:01.34] Welcome back to Nevermind it's an interview. - ST THOMAS [00:04.35] Inspirations comes in many forms, and for Nirvana, - ST THOMAS [00:08.00] it came in the form of an obscure Scottish band called the Vaselines. - ST THOMAS [00:13.05] Kurt and I were totally into the Vaselines, - KRIST [00:15.44] I mean they were my favorite band, - KRIST [00:16.75] they still are one of my favorite bands. - KRIST [00:18.50] Definitely our number one favorite band. - KURT [00:21.34] We finally got to play with them, they reformed to play with us, - KRIST [00:24.90] when we played Edinburgh, Scotland, in ah, early winter of 1990. - KRIST [00:29.30] So we met Eugene, and kinda kept a rap going with them- KRIST [00:32.65] then we heard Captain America the band,- KRIST [00:34.54] we heard the tape, we were totally blown away.- KRIST [00:36.14] Yeah, that's his new band, Captain America, they're really good. - KURT [00:39.39] Eugene's a great songwriter, so, yeah! - KRIST [00:41.24] Captain America's gotta go on tour with us! - KRIST [00:45.00] 《Molly's Lips》 [01:03.00] Since our record has done so well, - KRIST [01:05.65] we can open up doors for other bands, - KRIST [01:08.10] from where we come from, - KRIST [01:09.99] like Sonic Youth or Mudhoney, or the Melvins, - KRIST [01:12.60] or L7, or Dinosaur Jr. I can just go on and on and on and on. - KRIST [01:16.99] I guess the best part would be, - KURT [01:19.94] being in the position to take other bands, - KURT [01:22.85] whom you like a lot, on tour with you. - KURT [01:25.94] It's definitely a nice thing to be able to do. - KURT [01:29.49] We took Shonen Knife, a three piece all girl Japanese band - KURT [01:34.84] on tour with us in England, - KURT [01:36.80] and they've been a favorite of ours for years, - KURT [01:39.15] and no one really knows who they are in England, or anywhere in Europe. - KURT [01:42.29] And we've taken the Melvins on tour with us, - KURT [01:44.85] and in the future, we hope to take Hole, and Jesus Lizard, - KURT [01:49.34] and a bunch of other bands who we like. - KURT [01:51.00] 《Stain》 [02:02.00] But nothing really exciting happens on tour. - KURT [02:05.63] People think that the 'rock star life' is so exciting and it's, - KURT [02:10.33] y'know you play a show, - KURT [02:12.74] you usually get into the town by the time it's dark, - KURT [02:15.98] and you sound check, and you don't get to see the city, - KURT [02:18.83] you play the show and then you leave the next morning. - KURT [02:21.24] Y'know, you go to the hotel room, and you leave, - KURT [02:23.99] and do the same thing over and over again. - KURT [02:25.98] It's kinda boring in a way, I mean still I can't think of anything else I'd rather do, - KURT [02:31.54] but it's not as exciting as everyone thinks. - KURT [02:34.74] But it's getting harder for me to jump out of the audience now, - KURT [02:37.89] because the crowds are bigger and some of the people don't realize that. - KURT [02:43.38] I don't know what they realize actually, - KURT [02:45.34] because they're putting their hands in my pockets and - KURT [02:47.94] trying to steal my money and my wallet, - KURT [02:50.24] and they're they're hitting me really hard and scratching me, so it's ... - KURT [02:56.29] I dunno, after a while I'm probably not going to be able to do that anymore. - KURT [02:59.04] And that's too bad, cause' it's a fun little bonding thing to do with the audience. - KURT [03:03.83] 《School》, live version [05:07.00] That's School from the album Bleach recorded live. - ST THOMAS [05:11.26] Nirvana says their next album will be different, perhaps even more like Bleach.- ST THOMAS [05:16.17] Well our next record's gonna be different, it's gonna be way different. - KRIST [05:19.57] Well I wouldn't want to put out two of the same record - DAVE [05:21.36] We'd like to record every song differently. - KURT [05:24.51] These are just ideas that we have. - KRIST [05:26.62] Y'know, I know, I know it's gonna be a, a record of extremities. - KRIST [05:30.12] I think we had our shot at doing the ah, big studio, high-tech Hollywood thing, - DAVE [05:34.61] whatever y'know I mean, that studio to us, was like, pretty like, techno. - DAVE [05:39.77] I dunno, maybe we'll do the next record on 8-track. - DAVE [05:42.46] That will be recorded on 8-track. - KURT [05:44.32] You can get more low end frequencies out of an 8-track. - DAVE [05:46.47] Go back to the Bleach sound. - KURT [05:48.31] Back to that sorta, more along the lines of Bleach. - DAVE [05:50.57] Cause' I really liked the production of Bleach, and I, - KURT [05:53.52] I dunno, I felt kinda weird straying so far away from it ... - KURT [05:57.02] We've got this far, with this record. - DAVE [05:58.62] There's definitely going to be some more abrasive songs on our next record. - KURT [06:01.57] Y'know, we're gonna do something, just totally test the limits. - DAVE [06:05.22] Really raw and abrasive, to very uh, pretty and candyish. - KRIST [06:09.67] All the radio listeners, or the MTV watchers, or whoever, just like, really test them, - DAVE [06:14.66] and shove something totally aggro, in their face, and, - DAVE [06:17.98] and see if they can handle that. - DAVE [06:19.00] 《Big Cheese》 [06:44.00] Almost anything that's musical, is pop music, as far as I'm concerned. - KURT [06:49.14] As long as it's good, and it's catchy, it's pop. And y'know, a lot of punk rock is pop. - KURT [06:54.50] I think the only time that punk rock strayed away from pop, - KURT [06:58.29] was when hardcore came around, y'know, and there was a lot, - KURT [07:02.50] y'know, real dirgy stuff also, - KURT [07:05.79] like the crossover metal thing, and I really can't consider a lot of that music. - KURT [07:10.69] Y'know, maybe one percent, of the people who are listening to Nevermind, - DAVE [07:14.94] that ever bought Nevermind, maybe not one percent, - DAVE [07:17.15] but I'm just saying that this, um, a small minority of people - DAVE [07:19.79] who are listening to our record now, know about punk rock. - DAVE [07:23.33] A lot of people don't know about punk rock. - DAVE [07:25.02] They think about punk rock ... - DAVE [07:26.23] and they think of like that Quincy episode where the guy threw the brick off the building. - DAVE [07:30.02] I guess, I dunno, I just don't agree with old punk rock ethos, - KURT [07:34.32] of like, you have to starve to be a real artist. It's ********. - KURT [07:39.00] 《Been A Son》 [07:53.00] We don't like to think of ourselves as a political band, - KURT [07:56.60] because y'know, you tend to become too anal, and it becomes ridiculous, - KURT [08:01.60] If you shove it down people's throats y'know, - KURT [08:03.80] we just ask people to be aware a little bit, - KURT [08:05.80] and I think the songs kinda reflect that. - KURT [08:07.96] It's just another issue, another topic, like we could talk about racism, - KRIST [08:10.96] we could talk about feminism, nationalism, I don't really subscribe to that way of thought, at all. - KRIST [08:17.60] There's just so much corruption going on with the government, - KURT [08:20.86] and the Reagan years have definitely set us back, - KURT [08:24.55] to where the average teenager feels kinda lost, and there isn't much hope. - KURT [08:29.80] They're still at least, aware of the mistakes that our parent's generation has made. - KURT [08:36.30] And I just think that it'll take a little bit of time for kids to start doing the duties - KURT [08:41.31] that they're supposed to do, which is challenge things, like corruption. - KURT [08:45.55] "The way American's money is budgeted by our government, - DAVE [08:48.55] it leaves nothing to the education system. - DAVE [08:51.30] Teachers are dealing with the future, y'know, - DAVE [08:54.10] teachers are dealing with kids growing up, who are gonna take care of me or you, someday. - DAVE [09:01.35] Just the education system in general, in a lot of places, is really screwed. - DAVE [09:06.56] Y'know, it's great to get information like that, so you can um, form your own ideas. - KRIST [09:10.35] It'd be neat, if like y'know, the 60's had a like, Abby Hoffman, - KRIST [09:15.45] or ah, John Sinclair y'know, Timothy Leary to an extent. - KRIST [09:19.60] And they were spokes people, and they were shaking things up, - KRIST [09:22.70] and nowadays, there's not really anybody. - KRIST [09:24.00] 《Territorial Pissings》 [11:44.00] Territorial Pissings from the multi platinum release Nevermind. - ST THOMAS [11:48.91] Since it's release, the album has topped the billboard charts, - ST THOMAS [11:52.27] and the first single Smells Like Teen Spirit has become a top-ten hit. - ST THOMAS [11:56.56] The success of Nevermind has taken a lot of people by surprise including the band. - ST THOMAS [12:01.50] I'll never get over the shock and that's kinda good. - KURT [12:04.17] It was, um, sort of a really, whatever, organic thing, there wasn't any massive hype. - DAVE [12:10.92] I mean there is definitely no big million dollar investment, in, - KURT [12:14.67] in promotion behind this record at all, it's totally organic, and it just happened. - KURT [12:19.26] Y'know, whatever's happened, is, was surely out of our control, - KRIST [12:22.41] and I'm glad it's happened y'know it's nice to sell that many records, - KRIST [12:25.56] it's nice to turn on people to something different. - KRIST [12:28.11] People tellin' me "Oh yeah you guy's record", "I think you guys are gonna go platinum", - KRIST [12:32.10] and we're like "Oh man, c'mon, y'know, if we get a gold record outta this, that'll be amazing". - KRIST [12:36.97] It's not my fault. I never wanted the fame involved. - KURT [12:40.82] That's, That's a totally different story. - KURT [12:43.31] I think Paul Stanley once said something like, - KURT [12:46.45] "Only thing that money gives you is relief of not having to worry about money." - KURT [12:50.91] Only thing I'd really like to do with it, is to invest in some bands that I like, - KURT [12:55.02] I, I don't wanna start my own record label cause God, - KURT [12:58.76] I know I couldn't do that. - KURT [13:01.46] But I'd like to give some money to some labels who're putting out great music, help in that way. - KURT [13:08.27] And um, probably gonna buy a house. - KURT [13:09.75] Hopefully we can have a recording studio too a little 8-track recording studio, - KURT [13:14.01] so we can make good demos. - KURT [13:16.70] And those are pretty much the plans and just get some new shoes. - KURT [13:19.00] 《Smell like teen spirit》
